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Marshall Brain died hours after alleging retaliation at NC State (www.technicianonline.com)
74 points by HappyKasper 1 hour ago | hide | past | web | 21 comments | favorite





His story is a cautionary tale about real life vs idealism. The two come into conflict frequently, and sometimes violently. Nothing is more difficult or dangerous than holding power to account; the mechanisms we imagine are in place to hold power accountable exist purely in that imagination. The personal feelings of shame, guilt, or ethical responsibility we imagine there to be, or the social pressure brought to bear on those who demonstrate a lack of those qualities, is missing when push comes to shove. Being an idealist, really believing in these things, is the setup for great tragedy. The fundamental mistake is to believe that others think like you do or value the same things you value. Of course I know nothing of this particular situation, but the shape of it is all too familiar - an idealistic, inspirational collegue forced out after speaking truth to power. How many tens of such people do we know? How many of them do not actually get back on their feet? How many of them did we speak up for?

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This story really hits home for me. My dad was a physics teacher, and these complaints sound all too familiar—especially this part:

"I did what the University told me to do, and then these administrators ruined my life for it."

It’s frustrating how often dedicated educators are forced to navigate politics instead of focusing on teaching. The best educators are usually the least political, while those who thrive in politics often end up as administrators.


> “My career has been destroyed by multiple administrators at NCSU who united together and completely ignored the EthicsPoint System and its promises to employees,” Brain wrote.

Well, lesson learned. Take your ethical concerns to the public/press instead. The retaliation would be just as swift as it is with The Process. Or: abandon ship and leave the system to consume itself.


It's sad to see a group of engineering professors having political squabbles involving unethical behavior in response to an ethics complaint.

Ethics are supposed to be a core part of engineering, not too dissimilar from medicine. Good thing those folks are in academia where they can't hurt the rest of us.


On the contrary, in academia they can do lots of damage by encouraging the same behavior in new engineers.

sounds like typical high school bullying except by adults and so-called professionals. how does a disagreement between two turn into multiple departments jumping in for one side?

Sounds like there’s a lot more to this story…

The website is geoblocked in the EU.

Mirror: https://archive.ph/R39hz


> Kashani said Brain submitted numerous complaints through the EthicsPoint system and said tensions arose because Brain didn’t “play the political game” through his questioning of higher-ranking administrators.

This right here is why I scoff at “anonymous reporting systems” or stuff like EthicsPoint, for the simple reason that the only ethics that ultimately matter in an organization are those of everyone above you, and those individuals have a vested interest in preserving their political capital over acting or behaving ethically.

It’s disgusting and reprehensible if true, but it’s sadly not surprising. Those of us who behave ethically are little more than prey to those whose moral compasses are fungible.


I don't know why so many people want to go into academia these days.

Tenure is a multi-year rat race with worse hours than a seed stage startup (to be fair to the startup, at least you have feedback in the form of sales and VC fundraising). The pay is bad and the politics are incredibly petty. Tick off the wrong person and your career is torched.


> Brain’s complaint contained allegations of wrongdoing... regarding repurposing the Engineering Entrepreneurs Program meeting space to accommodate a new hire.. “What came back was a sickening nuclear bomb of retaliation the likes of which could not be believed”

"Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre's_law


My thoughts exactly. It was all about campus real estate! A room with a view.

Related Marshall Brain has died (322 points, 2 days ago, 157 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42228759

Previous submission link is dead, too. After two days.

It disappeared from HN front page within a couple of hours, even with over 150 points, and I couldn't find it again in first 5 pages before I gave up.

HN ranking algo is really weird that way. You'd expect things to slide downwards, but they just teleport to page 10 or whatever.


https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42228759 spent 9 hours on HN's front page.

The reasons why posts drop in rank are explained at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.


That's weird, the link to wral.com now redirects to 404 page.

Didn't see anything useful in the Wayback machine.


From what I remember, it didn't say much.

Yes - at that time, the ethics complaint and retaliation allegations weren't public yet. This new article adds a lot to the story.



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