Hacker News Clone new | comments | show | ask | jobs | submit | github repologin
Prince Nico Mbarga’s biggest hit outsold any of The Beatles’ (2017) (www.narratively.com)
51 points by Geekette 13 hours ago | hide | past | web | 43 comments | favorite





Non-paywalled copy: https://archive.ph/Rw054

If you're interested in unheard music from Africa, this is an incredible project: https://analogafrica.bandcamp.com

Linking to the Bandcamp but they are on Youtube as well. They have new vinyl releases of some fantastic funk and soul spanning the last 5-6 decades in Africa.


Pro tip to anyone looking for a place to start: a lot of disco tracks that came out of Nigeria in the 70s/80s are fantastic.

Hell yeah!! Dizzy K and William Onyeabor are big favorites of mine.

I would also recommend the "Radiooooo" website/app. You pick a country and a decade, and it plays songs. Great way to discover new old music.

What an awesome app! It even uses the correct names for countries across the decades

Very different rent but this reminds me of the story of the US musician Sixto Rodríguez. Who became very popular in South African without him knowing. I recommend watching the documentary "Searching for Sugar Man" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searching_for_Sugar_Man

I was waching the other day a documentary a bout a rock moviment called Zanrock, very common in Zambia in the 70s. They would perform for great crowds and press discs in South Africa.

Unfourtunaly civil wars, the conflit in Rodhesia, and the lifestyle of Sex drugs and rock and roll in a country ravaged by AIDS, killed a lot of musicians destroyed the movement. A guy started colleccting old records and released on spotify.

of the bands, theres a great one called Witch that reminds me a lot of bands like Steppenwolf and Black Sabath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1kcs8gftls


Do you remember the name of the docu? I ended up in a small Zamrock clickhole when Ted Lasso used this track in an episode outro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjUOYLJ8IYI but didn't get much further than wikipedia and a couple of google results.


Prince Nico Mbarga was not someone I expected to see on HN. What a throwback to the past. Sweet Mother was practically required on the playlist at any event where your mother was going to be recognized in some form or the other (which is pretty much every important event)

Prince Nico Mbarga “Sweet Mother”: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mecNrIaWOA

I guess it must be intentional, but to my ear, the tuning sounds way off between the guitar and bass. Maybe this is part of the tradition or something, but I find it to be so far off, it's hard to listen to.

If you like it checkout this epic soukous song called Nairobi Nights by Loketo Soukous Starts that includes Sweet Mother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L93pse3-23A


I imagine there are countless of individuals that are very famous within some region, but little known outside of it. It's not easy to have global recognition.

Yes, and it is also something that we are coming to terms with now that we have a more global community.

The hit in question, the one that outsold any individual Beatles single was from 1976. That was a time when most people received news from around the globe in print, with most of those print publications being regional and a handful being national. Something similar could be said for radio, though some people could hear stories from afar on the shortwave bands. That was more the exception than the rule though, typically of greatest interest to those who wanted to hear voices from their homeland or those keenly interested in learning about the world. (Even then, language was typically a barrier. When it wasn't a barrier, most of the stations were propaganda machines.)

Even though your claim undoubtedly remains true, at least we live in a world where those stories can leak out.


Rihanna sold more records in the UK than the Beatles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_art...

Although slavery is a society illness, the mixture of African and American (Caribean, South America, North America) cultures generated a huge musical heritage. Could this be the largest branch of music in history?

Funnily enough, this is man is namesake!

>“His only weakness was temptation,” says Rogers. For alongside Esame, his wife, and Lucy, his first love, he had numerous other lovers.

Funny this is cancel-worthy sometimes, and in other times it's treated as a quaint personality trait.

Also, the Beatles aren't famous because I Want to Hold Your Hand sold 12 million copies. The Beatles have 50 multi-million selling singles.


I don't know who gets cancelled for having multiple lovers, even extramarital lovers. Maybe it should be cancel-worthy (depending on your definition of cancel) for people who build their careers on "family values", but it's practically a plus for a rock star.

It depends not how many lovers you have but how you have them.

I think the "at times" refers to periods of times, have multiple lovers at end of the 1800s and find yourself described as absolutely irredeemable.

Depends where at the end of the 1800s. Belle Époque France saw adultery on the part of men almost normalized among the middle and upper classes, and everyone made use of prostitutes.

ok, so it depends on time, place, gender, probably also age and occupation.

Tiger Woods.

I think it was mostly because he was such a self-assured prick though, and so it was easy to pile on.


Don't forget, there was also reckless driving involved there and a ton of bad press. The only fallout was losing a few of his many endorsement deals. He kept his videogame. He kept golfing. "Facing appropriate consequences for your actions" is not being cancelled.

He had 14 Majors, and was well on his way to passing Jack Nicklaus. He'll never pass him now.

Him falling off his game is on him. Or are you really implying some entity "cancelled" Tiger Woods' golfing skills or there was some conspiracy to prevent Tiger from winning because he cheated on his wife?

I don't think he was cancelled so much as a laughingstock after his 2009 Thanksgiving car crash. That sent the value of the "I am Tiger Woods" marketing to zero. https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/11/24/tiger-woods-car-...

> Funny this is cancel-worthy sometimes, and in other times it's treated as a quaint personality trait.

You can see this same tension in Fela Kuti fandom and scholarship, where people almost have to choose between lionizing him as a anti-colonialist or anti-dictatorship hero and downplaying negative sides so that his sociopolitical impact feels more powerful, or deploring his treatment of women as something that tarnished his whole career.


John Lennon was also quite a horrible husband to Cynthia.

"I can resist anything except temptation" --Oscar Wilde

Or a sign of pride or virility, reserved for (or a prerequisite to become) the rich, powerful, famous, and leaders.

> Funny this is cancel-worthy sometimes, and in other times it's treated as a quaint personality trait.

Yeah sometimes you see that in passing. Some famous people seem to get a pass especially if they are not polarizing nor brazen, as opposed to, say, someone like Donald Trump. But in the end, they hurt and abuse people all the same.

For example, almost every bio I've seen on YouTube about Richard Feynman treats his proclivity of banging his colleagues' wives as nothing more than some charming quirk or idiosyncrasy (usually to differentiate him from the bookish physicists of the time) at best, and a peccadillo at worst.

The worst description I've read yet of his behavior was summarized as: "he just loved women."

It's messed up.


Because his hit was sold across Africa, not Europe or North America.

Clickbait headline. It outsold any of The Beatles singles *in Africa*:

> “Sweet Mother,” his 1976 one-hit wonder, had sold at least thirteen million copies across the African continent – more than The Beatles’ bestseller “I Want to Hold Your Hand.”


It's a bit ambiguous in your quote, but "I Want to Hold Your Hand" sold 12MM *globally* (source: the song's wiki page).

What's the clickbait? "I Want to Hold Your Hand" sold 12 million. Is the clickbait that it's downplaying the achievement, since "Sweet Mother" only sold well in Africa?



Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: