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Ask HN: Can I download Torrent of a movie legally if I own the DVD/Blueray?
4 points by punnerud 2 hours ago | hide | past | web | 11 comments | favorite





No. Someone tried that 20-25 years ago (with CDs / music streaming, but the principle’s the same) and got sued into oblivion.

The principle being, you don’t have the right to watch the movie as such: you have the right to watch _your copy_ of the movie.

If someone gives you an unauthorised copy of something you have a legit copy of… it’s still unauthorised.


What if the system is build so the copy and the downloaded version is identical down to the byte?

So both is your copy.


You have to follow the provenance.

If I own Queen’s Greatest Hits on CD, I can rip that, encode it to MP3/AAC/FLAC/whatever, copy it between my laptop/desktop/phone. That’s fine.

If you also own Queen’s Greatest Hits on CD, then… I cannot give you any of those files, because they have ultimately come from my CD, not from your CD. Even though the bits are identical. The provenance matters. You have the right to use the copies from your CD. You do not have the right to use the copies from my CD, even though the bits are the same.


Even that may not be legal, at least in the US, if there's any copy protection at all. Audio CDs probably aren't copy protected, but any commercial DVD would be. So the mere act of breaking the CSS protection is illegal, even for personal home use. The RIAA spent a lot of time and money enforcing that.

Outside of the US, saner jurisdictions may prevail.


I'm sure this isn't a valid legal interpretation, but when I see:

> No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

Then I say to myself, if I can bypass the technological measure, it doesn't effectively control access to the work, so it's fine. Especially when they later say

> Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title.

Time shifting, format shifting, and space shifting are all established as fair use in case law; so I don't feel bad about circumventing ineffective controls to a protected work to enable my fair use of the work.

IMHO, electronic distribution without authorization is a clear no, and obtaining a copy through unauthorized distribution is also a clear no. But I'm flexible if the original media is defective. And I'll pretend I didn't see it for things like the Despecialized Editions of Star Wars.


Ok, so as long as the user itself, or someone else on their behalf, makes 100% copy and store it locally at the user its ok as I read it?

Then next step is that the user can put all those GB on their own Dropbox (not shared). But what Dropbox can do is to do hash-check of the files and only keep one file of all those hundres of compies. Synced to cloud.

Still only the users copy and they can access it at home, just at a fraction of the cost for storing the copy.


I don't know where the parent is located, but in the US at least none of this matters. It doesn't matter if it's a bit perfect copy. It matters that you don't have the copyright in the first place.

At some point you need to stop asking people on the internet and start asking a good copyright lawyer in your jurisdiction.

Agreed, we don't own the media only the right to use it. Downloading the pirated version is still against the law and can get you sued.

In the US, downloading a copyrighted work is infringement. It doesn't matter whether you own any additional copies of the work already. Fair use doesn't care about that.

Additionally, if you're torrenting, you're probably also uploading (helping to seed) the file, which is redistribution.

Nothing legal about it under current law. That said, just use an overseas seedbox instead of your home IP and you'll be fine. A lot faster too, since they have fat pipes.


The act of distribution is what is illegal.

You could feel morally good about it, but it would still be illegal.

While probably also not legal, what might be easier is to rip the bluray locally instead of downloading it.




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