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I taught rats to drive a car, and it may help us lead happier lives (www.bbc.com)
18 points by PotatoNinja 2 hours ago | hide | past | web | 7 comments | favorite






related (10 days ago, 102 comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42179774

> In a study that wouldn't be permitted today, rats swam in glass cylinders filled with water, eventually drowning from exhaustion if they weren't rescued.

Who permits studies? Why would this study NOT be permitted today?

edit to add NOT.


Institutional Review Boards (IRBs) or ethics committees instituted at universities, hospitals, and private research orgs ensure research adheres to ethical standards, balancing scientific benefits against potential harm to subjects. In the United States, IRBs must be registered with the Department of Health and Human Services and comply with FDA regulations.

Probably on moral grounds, encouraging researchers to find alternative ways to design the study rather than slowly drowning their subjects.

Yes, moral grounds, I'm sure. But there are all sorts of abhorrent treatment of animals - abattoirs, indoor farming, force feeding, etc, etc - so, why is it a moral line to drown rats in the way described? Who decides this stuff?

> Who decides this stuff?

The ethical committee of whatever university or research organisation is responsible for the person who wants to conduct this experiment.

Also, many countries have laws on animal wellbeing that may supersede even a green light from the ethical committee.


> abattoirs, indoor farming, force feeding

Probably wouldn't pass IRB review either. That is why Tyson et al don't have one.


I get that you're asking honestly, but it shouldn't be a surprise that academics might sometimes have higher standards than businesses.

You're asking a genuine question but careful not to sink too deep into whataboutism.

Just because abhorrent treatment of animals exists in one industry doesn't mean it's OK for it to appear in another, or in this case, in the field of science.

As you can imagine, there isn't a single combined committee for these two...




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