> Around 13.6% of incels reported a willingness to commit rape if they could get away with it – though the authors note that this figure is actually lower than rates in the general male population, where estimates lie between 19–35%.
Someone flagged my earlier comment, to their shame. Are we just going to ignore this completely absurd claim? Perhaps one in seven incels is only held back from committing rape by the fear of getting caught, but 20% of all men? Nonsense. I would be shocked if it’s higher than 1%.
You appear to be referring to Gisele Pelicot. From an article on the crimes:
> Dominique Pelicot, 71, a retired electrician, has admitted to orchestrating multiple rapes of Gisèle Pelicot, 72, offering her to a steady stream of men he met in an online chatroom
Not sure how mental health support is going to help here. It is a degrading, inhumane idea - a lot worse than say, suggesting "solve" poverty by offering mental health support to the poor.
Just think of it: there is in theory, enough products/money to be enough for everyone, it's just some skills misalignment/unwillingness to move to where the jobs are/and yes some small mental issues that prevent eradication of poverty at least in developed countries. There are no objective obstacles to it: society won't break down, capitalism won't end or even suffer, and no finite resources will be exhausted if no one was poor tomorrow. So while in practice, mental health support to the poor can't work and is not enough, it could in theory work.
But incels, are not a mental health problem. They are an objective, real-world problem that just CANNOT be solved. Economy and society has evolved to the point that there is a considerable, and growing, share of men who are a "worse than nothing" option for every available woman, so those women stay single and/or keep dating non-exclusively in full knowledge of what they are doing.
How do we solve it? We don't. Just accept that they will always be frustrated and become a political and social menace, contributing to extremism, violence, and discontent.
I believe it’s worth reading the report and findings. The way I read it, the mental health support does not aim primarily at some magical „healing“ of their situation (i.e. turning them into non-Incels somehow). Quoting from the report summary:
> Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (1 in 5 incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks).
I could see where struggling with loneliness and entitlement and horniness would inexorably expose mental illness - the healthy ones deal with it, the unhealthy ones… geatures vaguely at the unhealthy ones
In the same way that weed can set off hitherto unknown mental health issues, without it meaning weed is the problem - inceldom attracts and retains people who are willing to swallow the toxic side of the group, because that side inescapably taints everything related to the issue.
In other words, plenty of people wish they were getting laid right now… but only a few particular people blame that on women writ large.
I suppose, you could also just call sexism a mental illness, but I don’t think anybody wants to face that harsh reality yet.
I cannot understand how you oppose these two terms: mental-health, and objective, as if they were an either-or.
There are many people with objectively measurable and diagnosed personality disorders, you could even observe that the way society is going, being somewhat narcissistic is a pre-condition for success.
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